Jim Dodd Purple Dragon (Flabellina rubrolineata)
Taken Sunday 18.09.11 @ Halifax, Nelson Bay, NSW
Ashley Missen Purple Dragon ?? - nice Name - cool pic thanks Jim
Jim Dodd No probs Ash.
Gary Cobb ...common names! Hummmm...who makes them up??
Ashley Missen Me
Jim Dodd There were 3 of them in 25m of water. I've never seen them this deep before.
Roxanne Fea These are everywhere around Sydney currently.. we did three dives in the weekend in Botany Bay and off Maroubra and Flabellina rub. were ubiquitous!
Jim Dodd They are everywhere here atm too.
Ashley Missen as I said before it Flabellina Season - but only shoot them with a camera please
Ashley Missen Stats Jim ???
Jim Dodd These 3 were at Halifax in 25m all about 12 - 15mm long, water temp was 17. There was about 2 or 3 others at shallower depths.
Daz Mccollum Thailand near Krabi. Ao nang local islands
about 15 meters deep
less than 2cm long
Canon G11, canon housing
f3.2, 1/60, ISO100 onboard flash
Rahul Meh-unpronouncableflabellina rubrolineata?
Jirawat Chatcharkorn this is trinchesia sibogae
Tony Strazzari Pretty sure Jirawat Chatcharkorn has picked this one!
Gencer Özdemir Deniz Tavşanı
Canon G10
Dahili FlaÅŸ
Iso :80 F:7.1 E:1/500
Camel Reef
Gary Cobb In this group camera details are not important. What is important is the place it was found, its size and any interesting behaviors. I do believe this is Flabellina rubrolineata.
Lucas CerCur Has it collected in Turkey?
Gencer Özdemir Yes it is.
Lucas CerCur It is one Lessepsian alien species in Mediterranean.
Carola Hofmann Hi All, I found this beautiful one today at Julian Rocks, Byron Bay at about 14 meters. It was about 15mm. I think it is some sort of flabellina, but could you please id it? Thanks for your help, as always!
Roy Arthur David Lontoh Agree with Erwin, Flabellina rubrolineata must have a red line on its body ;)
Blogie Robillo Roy - I've been told that the red line isn't present in all individuals. At any rate, I do agree with Erwin that this is F. exoptata, based on this specimen's cerata.
Roy Arthur David Lontoh Blogie, thx for the update :)
IkeBe Ph 5mm taken at a depth of 60ft. Anilao, Batangas
Carolyn Thomson Beautiful
Blogie Robillo Flabellina exoptata, if I'm not mistaken.
Ashley Missen Flabellina sp. Not quite right for f. expotata looks more like this one http://www.dragonmouse.com.au/diving/nudibase.php?action=nudidetail&id=310
Bernard Picton I think this is Flabellina rubrolineata. F. exoptata doesn't have the lines, has bright orange rhinophores, and has a purple hue throughout the body.
http://www.seaslugforum.net/showall/flabexop
Blogie Robillo Right, I see it now. I also think it's F. rubrolineata. Thanks Bernard Picton!
Wil Yu Great shot, these are hard to get a good photo of
Ashley Missen The Like i put in was verified by Dr Richard Willan as Flabellina sp. - if you want I can send this pic in to him and getting to verify it - Cheers Ash
Gary Cobb This looks like Flabellina rubrolineata!
IkeBe Ph what has got me confused are the white bands on it's cerata
Gary Cobb I think after closer inspection this should be called Flabellina sp. because the long thin cerata are transparent. F. rubrolineata has white tipped ceras as well. We need to look at its radula to be sure!
Wil Yu Attached are a few I took at Seafari in the Philippines in April 2011. Bright blue one was about 1/8 of an inch, I was told
it was a nudi, but I am not sure, second is one I was told is a new species, recently identified and the third is ? Wil
Gary Cobb This is Flabellina rubrolineata (O'Donoghue, 1929)
Harald Schottner smaller than a nail from the little finger, all pis philippines, canon eos 5 d in hugy-housing, macrolens 100 L IS 2,8, two substrobes ikelite 106 ds
Gary Cobb Juvenile but I would say it is Flabellina rubrolineata (O'Donoghue, 1929)
Blogie Robillo Is this Flabellina rubrolineata, or something else? (Sorry, can't recall the depth or the size, but this was taken at Samal Island.)
Ron SilverFlabellina rubrolineata
Blogie Robillo The cerrata look different from what I'm used to seeing in F. rubrolineata, is why I wasn't sure. Thanks, Ron!
Arne Kuilman I've seen them like this in the Philippines.
Blogie Robillo What about this one, is this F. rubrolineata?
Ron Silver Yes. This nudi is highly variable in its coloration.
Blogie Robillo I see! Thanks Ron and Arne!
Patrik Good Check out http://www.philippine-sea-slugs.com/Nudibranchia/Dexiarchia/Flabellina_rubrolineata.htm . I think this is based on a newish paper. It's getting more difficult here too. I tend for Unidentia angelvaldesi (smooth rhinophores with broad white and opaque band)for the original picture, F. rubrolinata for Blogie's. We just have to be more careful nowadays with these guys.
Patrik Good Ah, please just don't call any of yours Flabellina sp. 5. Flabellina sp. is enough or refer to Erwin's collection if you want to use Flabellina sp. 5.
Patrik Good Millen S. & A.Hermosillo (2012) Three New Species of Aeolid Nudibranchs (Opisthobranchia) from the Pacific Coast of Mexico, Panama, and the Indopacific, with a Redescription and Redesignation of a Fourth Species - The Veliger, 51(3): 145-164 - also copied from Erwin's page.
Blogie Robillo Always had a gut feeling that the nudi above (original) isn't F. rubrolineata... See them quite often here in the gulf of Davao.
Blogie Robillo Is this Flabellina rubrolineata, or something else? (Sorry, can't recall the depth or the size, but this was taken at Samal Island.)
Ron SilverFlabellina rubrolineata
Blogie Robillo The cerrata look different from what I'm used to seeing in F. rubrolineata, is why I wasn't sure. Thanks, Ron!
Arne Kuilman I've seen them like this in the Philippines.
Blogie Robillo What about this one, is this F. rubrolineata?
Ron Silver Yes. This nudi is highly variable in its coloration.
Blogie Robillo I see! Thanks Ron and Arne!
Patrik Good Check out http://www.philippine-sea-slugs.com/Nudibranchia/Dexiarchia/Flabellina_rubrolineata.htm . I think this is based on a newish paper. It's getting more difficult here too. I tend for Unidentia angelvaldesi (smooth rhinophores with broad white and opaque band)for the original picture, F. rubrolinata for Blogie's. We just have to be more careful nowadays with these guys.
Patrik Good Ah, please just don't call any of yours Flabellina sp. 5. Flabellina sp. is enough or refer to Erwin's collection if you want to use Flabellina sp. 5.
Patrik Good Millen S. & A.Hermosillo (2012) Three New Species of Aeolid Nudibranchs (Opisthobranchia) from the Pacific Coast of Mexico, Panama, and the Indopacific, with a Redescription and Redesignation of a Fourth Species - The Veliger, 51(3): 145-164 - also copied from Erwin's page.
Blogie Robillo Always had a gut feeling that the nudi above (original) isn't F. rubrolineata... See them quite often here in the gulf of Davao.
Gary Cobb I think your close Ash but the coloration is closer to the much variable Flabellina rubrolineata. At the end of the day we can only hazard a guess without a complete examination.
Blogie Robillo Thanks to our exchanges earlier, Gary, I did think this was F. rubrolineata too. ;)
Ashley Missen The one on nudibase was what Richard and Bard said it was due to the cerata length and shape as they are too far removed F. rubrolineata. Cheers Ash
Gary Cobb Like I have said before...this is all a guessing game. I put up a thread recently with a similar animal was told this was F. rubrolineata. Since we are guessing, and so is Richard, at the end of the day the ID is what the photographer is comfortable with.
Orietta Rivolta Beautiful discussion, thanks to all!
Blogie Robillo OK, I'd hazard a guess that this one's Flabellina delicata. Its rhinophores have papillae (although that's not very clear in this photo), it has purplish oral tentacles and "tail", and the cerata are tipped with purple rings. Could anyone confirm the ID?
Gary Cobb This is Flabellina bicolor (Kelaart, 1858)
Blogie Robillo It looks awfully like F. delicata... but I trust you, Gary!
Gary Cobb Have a look at the bands at the end of the cerata and you'll see the difference. F. bicolour has a single red band at the tip. The body colour can vary, but typically white.
Blogie Robillo I see. Thanks for the info!
Blogie Robillo Gary Cobb - It says on Nudipixel and SSF that the oral tentacles of F. bicolor are flattened to form "paddles". This one has pointy oral tentacles. The cerata of F. bicolor seem to be pointed in all the photos I've seen. This one, on the other hand, has fat cerata, much like those of F. bilas'. Lastly, this one has rhinophores with papillae. Does F. bicolor have the same physical feature?
Gary Cobb The flat paddled concept is not true. We find this species without the paddled oral tentacles. I'll post a photo of the one we find. The main thing I would look for is the white body and single red or orange ring near the tip of the create. Another thing is the rhinophores have a red tip.
Gary Cobb Blogie if you see enough differences between the photo I posted and your photo please feel free to call your Flabellina cf. bicolor
Blogie Robillo Gary - There's a distinct difference between this one and the one you just posted: their rhinophores are very different. Yours seems to not have papillae on them, while mine does. Would it be ok if I called mine Flabellina cf. delicata?
Erwin Koehler In the highly variable Flabellina rubrolineata are the red longitudinal lines in some specimen totally absent, something to check...
Blogie Robillo Erwin - I thought it was the red longitudinal line that identified F. rubrolineata as that particular species?? Really confusing...
Gary CobbFlabellina rubrolineata also comes without red lines!
Gary Cobb Blogie you have seen photos of F. delicata why do you think your photo is that?
Jeff Rosenfeld Seems like in F. delicata, the bands on the cerata are orange and the tips are purple (the opposite of yours). My thought was what Gosliner et al. call Flabellina sp. 1 in "Indo-Pacific Nudibranch and Sea Slugs."
Blogie Robillo Gary Cobb - Seriously, I think I might need glasses already. So now we have F. rubrolineata in the mix too... So is it that or is it still F. bicolor (or F. cf. bicolor)?
Blogie Robillo Or do we follow Jeff's call? Flabellina sp.?
Erwin Koehler there is a brandnew site on F. delicata:
http://www.philippine-sea-slugs.com/Nudibranchia/Dexiarchia/Flabellina_delicata.htm
Blogie Robillo Thanks Erwin!
Gary Cobb I don't think your photo is neither Flabellina delicata or F. rubrolineata. We are only hazarding a guess here. I think the closest match is F. bicolor. But since is does not match perfectly I would call it Flabellina cf. bicolor.
Patrik Good Seaway Cruiseship Jetty, 30/4/2012, size 5mm (sitting on fishing line), 3 metres depth, 23 degree. Is it a cruiseship eating nudi? Does anyone know what it is? I think it might be too ugly to be a nudi but I still collected it.
Deb Aston My guess is a baby sea cucumber. Cruiseship jetty over my dead body!!!!!
Patrik Good Thank you, Deb. Found Analogium amakusanum (1), small Chromodoris verrieri (1), small Chromodoris geometrica (3), huge Flabellina rubrolineata (1), lots of Goniodoridella sp. 1 (biggest ever). Also collected some other fluff and nudi spawn that I will investigate tomorrow. Analogium amakusanum definitely made my dive.
Patrik Good Different angle of the picture for the flabellina sp. or rubrolineata. Happy to send out the high res picture of t his cropped one (even if it is a bit embarrassing re my photography skills)
Gary Cobb Definitely Flabellina rubrolineata
Gary Cobb No other Flabellina sp. has a red line down the dorsum
Gary Cobb ...with red rings at the end of the cerata.
Patrik Good Seaway Gold Coast 10/10/2011. Could somebody ID, please.
Patrik GoodFlabellina rubrolineata, Facelina sp.3 or Godiva?
Ashley Missen How big is it and do you have a hi res version Cheeers Ash
Patrik Good from what I remember it was tiny, probably between 5 and 10mm. I have got the full sized picture of this cropped version and a few other pictures of it too. But I think that is the best one.
Ashley Missen Can you send the photos to data@nudibase.com cheers ash
Patrik Good will do
Ashley Missen Hi Patrik - it looks like the Flabellina sp. we get down here in Vic but I don't what it would be doing all the way up there -- http://www.dragonmouse.com.au/diving/nudibase.php?action=nudidetail&id=14
Patrik Good Pretty close. Probably a nudi individual that was on holidays in the nudi metropolis of Queensland. Thank you, Ash. Would have preferred a proper name rather than a sp. for my first flabellina but that will do.
Ashley Missen I am going to have to have a word to these guys heading of to warmer waters -the Flabellina in melbourne tend to bloom in numbers around spring - I only recently found a second species of Flabellina s at Blairgowrie - due to their size they are buggers to find a get a good pic of - I normal use twin Macro Lenses for them
Gary Cobb This is Flabellina rubrolineata (O'Donoghue, 1929) see the red line?
Ashley Missen what red line I thought that was on the body not the cerata - is a bit smaill for a F. rubrolineata and a bit orangey for one - cheers Ash
Gary Cobb The photo has a lot of 'yellow' from stobe (to me). The red line on the ventral part of the body is a give away, as well as a red ring near the end of the cerata. Are there any other better or different angles?
Patrik Good posted another pic. Thank you. Didn't mean to stir up any dispute and anyhow I realised that this was not my first flabellina ever. Even if it was definitely the smallest ever.
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Claretta Spada Sorry
Claretta Spada I really liked ....
Sven KahlbrockFlabellina rubrolineata, might be immigratet from the red sea ;-)
Shane Siers Reading order: Chromodoris fidelis, Chromodoris hintuanensis, Nembrotha lineolata, Glossodoris atromarginata, Chromodoris cf lochi, Flabellina rubrolineata, Hypselodoris infucata, Gymnodoris aurita and Ceratosoma tenue! All beauties, Louis! I'll be back in Anilao in June, can't wait.
Louis Pang so informative. Shane Siers Thanks.
Louis Pang This photo is published on Asia Geographic Magaine No 98. Issue 5/2013 ^_^ http://shop.asiangeographic.org/magazine-single-issues/160-asian-geographic-no-98-issue-52013.html