Peter H van Bragt Possibly most present northern location of Janolus cristatus. Photographed 09 aug. 2007 Near Stromsholmen, Norway.
João Pedro Silva They're relatively common here but not during the winter. Sometimes along with other bryozoan feeders:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpsilva1971/7408961534/
Erling Svensen Just want to share a picture from yesterday dive. The Janolus cristatus is not common here where I live (SW Norway). So - when I see the nudi I just shout out in my regulator as it may well have been 5 - 7 years since I saw it last time. So I would very much like to go diving today in the sunny, nice weather. So warm today that I was out working in my T-shirt (not good for the Global warming... - but good for my mood)
Christian Skauge Hmm... I need this one :-)
Rudolf Svensen I can sell you an image Christian :-)
Christian Skauge Why don't you sell me a live one? :-D
Erling Svensen I can put one on good whisky and send you - if you want?
Christian Skauge Drink the whiskey Erling - I should come over and see you soon :-)
John de Jong How many do you wanna buy, Christian Skauge ;-) We have plenty, you have to come with the excursion here,......
Rob Spray These are amongst our most common summer slugs in Norfolk
Carissa Shipman Has anyone seen copepods infecting nudis in the N. Atlantic? They have been commonly found on J. fuscus here along the Eastern Pacific coast.
Erling Svensen No, I have never seen this. But I did not know that copepods infected nudies. I have seen them on squat lobserters, fish and animals like that, but never on nudies.
Klas Malmberg Aquatilis I have some pictures with copepods on nudies, pictures from sweden and norway. Im going to search this pictures and post them on facebook.
Klas Malmberg Aquatilis Christian - you should go to väderöarna more often because you can see Janolus quite often there...
Manuel MartÃnez Chacón Ilustrando una vez más el ejemplo de distintas coloraciones de Janolus cristatus que cita João Pedro Silva, aquà os muestro dos Janolus distintos fotografiados en Tarifa.
Roberto Ruggiero Ianolo (Janolus cristatus) - Med Sea July 2013. NIKON D5000 & NIKKOR 60mm F2/8 in NIMAR Housing, 2 NIMAR PRIMO in TTL mode, 1/200 F8 ISO100.
Yutaka Takizawa Nice shot.....(^.^)
Roberto Ruggiero Thanks :-)
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Javier Ferrando Canon S-95 - 2 x INON Z-240 IV- Subsee
f/8.0 - 1/400 - ISO 100
Janolus cristatus
Lo Portaló - Cap de Creus - Costa Brava
www.xavierferrando.com
Raffaele LivorneseJanolus cristatus, side details
Nikon D90 in Hugyfot housing, Nikkor 105, F/16, 1/250 sec., Iso 100, 2 x Inon Z240, Subsee +10
Leonard Burroni non ti offendere per cio' che ti ho scritto, pesavo che si potesse anche fare critiche costruttive. per me la critica e molto importante e motivo di crescita se tutti mi dicono bravo e basta preferisco non postare ciao scusami
Raffaele Livornese Leonard, io non mi offendo per niente e accetto le critiche, ma la foto non e' sfocata. Non so con cosa scatti tu, ma con il 105mm la PDC e' molto ridotta e con il fuoco sugli occhi il resto e' fuori fuoco. Le foto che ritengo abbiano difetti cosi' banali non le posto affatto, per le altre attendo critiche e giudizi, purche' siano, come tu stesso hai detto, costruttive, e non buttate li'. Avrei capito se mi giudicavi per la composizione, in quanto non c'e' un bello sfondo che facesse da contrasto, ma sulla MAF.....
Johny Leffelaer This picture of Janolus cristatus,was taken in Holland(Netherlands),shot comes from my former set-up,Olympus 7070 camera. Settings, s. 1/100 , f 11 , iso 100.
RonilaÄki Centar Veliki Bijelijanolus cristatus, croatia,
nikon d80, 60mm, f22, 1/60
Michael Lawrence Nicely done, great focus and color rendition.
Ken Thongpila Wow! very beautiful Nudi... Love it and great shot too.
Orietta Rivolta Beautiful...I like nudibranchs.
Ben Sarinda nice Nudibranchs .,,.,
Damian Hofman Great shot, such a nice nudi!
Ashley Missen What A great Nudi Shot. Don't have that one in the database - could you please email through to data@nudibase.com with information on where and when you found this one - Cheers and thanks Ash
RonilaÄki Centar Veliki Bijeli thanks very much every1, Ashley Missen, this is found in Adratic sea, Croatia, island Lastovo if you need in detail,this year. must say also this is not exactly rare nudi in this area...
Ashley Missen Have a Look at the database - it tracks Nudi's hopefully all over the world - www.nudibase.com - if you can provide lots of data that would be great - thanks Ash
Javier Ferrando Canon S-95 - 2 x INON Z-240 IV- Subsee
f/8.0 - 1/400 - ISO 100
Janolus cristatus
Lo Portaló - Cap de Creus - Costa Brava
www.xavierferrando.com
Erling Svensen Still som nudies out there. Egersund, Norway today.
Christian Skauge Ahh, Janolus cristatus... Still missing that one! Nice pictures :-)
Erling Svensen What about Aldiza zetlandica?, Christian?
Arne Kuilman Beautiful photos Erling!
Christian Skauge I think I found a zetlandica yesterday, but I'm not sure... Ran out of battery so I have no image :-)
Arne Kuilman That's weird to read. Cristatus is one of our most common nudibranchs, while the others are much much rarer in the Netherlands or non-existent like the ones on photos 1, 2 and 3.
David Kipling Skomer marine nature reserve do a nudibranch survey every four years ... you should come across Christian, you'll be bored of Janolus by the end of the week!
Erling Svensen When diving Rathlin island there was 100dreds of Janolus....
João Pedro Silva I think the most I've found were 3 or 4 Janolus cristatus during a single dive.
David Kipling We often get 3 or 4 in a single field of view ...
Erling Svensen I am not that sure any more, but still I think Janolus. Here is one....
Peter H van Bragt Hi Erling, check te ceratal content with specimen of Eubranchus, that I'm sure you've caught on camera too. There is a distinct difference. Cheers, Peter H van Bragt I'll try to post a comparisson of these two species later this evening.
Erling Svensen Thanks Peter. Looking forward to your post.
Erling Svensen Hi again, Peter. I have no looked at many pictures. I need to change my meening. You are quite right about the content. In the Jonolus it is smoot, and the Eubranchus have more ragged content. 36 years of diving was not enough, so I will dive like Hell the next years to come ;-)
João Pedro Silva Two more clearly seen characteristics: the characteristic caruncle between the rhinophores; the digestive gland not reaching the tip of the cerata.
George Brown Surely it's Janolus? It's got a caruncle. Lovely photo!
João Pedro Silva No doubt on this one: Janolus cristatus. Caruncle, cerata growing ahead of the rhinophores, and clearly the digestive gland fails to reach the tip of the cerata.
David Kipling I also think these feel more "over-stuffed) with cerata, like they have too many attached to the poor animal underneath. E. farrani has more a feel of fewer cerata, but perhaps bigger. This is one of the "gut" things though, backed by no quantitative morphometric data!
Becky Hitchin Nudi newbie ... what's a caruncle?
João Pedro Silva See that crest between the rhinophores? That's the caruncle.
David Kipling That cocks-comb thingie between the two spiky things at the front. Unique to this species. No idea what it does, if anything.
David Kipling In fact, what *does* the caruncle do? Apart from tell us it's a Janolus of course.
Becky Hitchin Ahhh, ok. Thank you!
George Brown Surely "genus" David. J. hyalinus has one too. It's for ordering drinks across the space-time continuum.
David Kipling Thanks George - I am better informed, if no wiser!
Christian Skauge The purpose of the caruncle is unknown, but it is suggested to serve a sensory or defensive purpose. It might be a gland of some sort. Although I must say I liked George's explanation better :-D
John de Jong I thought it was a parasite on these Janolus cristatus, but it seems to be a juvenile Aeolidia papillosa of 2-3mm. Olympus E330 with 50mm macro and +10 diopter, ISO200, 1/125 and F22.0 and 2x Ikelite DS160-161 strobes. At Zeelandbrug, Oosterschelde, the Netherlands.
Arie VreugdenhilJanolus hyalinus with a copepod at 14m in De Oosterschelde The Netherlands.
Animal was about 15-20 mm
Arie Vreugdenhil Peter H van Bragt Is this a juvenile specimen, having such small and few cerata?
Ian Smith http://www.conchsoc.org/node/5265
Arie Vreugdenhil Thanks Ian Smith!
Ian Smith The 15mm specimen I've uploaded has well developed cerata. I guess Arie's is starved, sapped by the copepod or in poor condition for some other reason.
Aldo Brunetti I am a student of the University Autonoma of Madrid, department of zoology. I am writing to you because I am working on the family Janolidae. At the present time, in the department of zoology, we only have Janolus cristatus and I would like to know if you have any other species for example: Janolus hyalinus. We want to do a new description about this family and for this we need all the species, because we want to study them at the molecular and morphological level.
Mimmo Leonardo No it's not Flabellina, it's Janolus cristatus :) look at this: in italian http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janolus_cristatus or in english http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=140855
Allen Walker Awesome Image!!
Robert Coelen what was the water temperature Mimmo?
Mimmo Leonardo Water temperature was about 19° C, depth was about 20 meters.
Richard Yorke My pictures from last weekends dives off the Llyn now at http://www.richardy.co.uk/LlynSept2013/index.html
Shôn Roberts There are some really great photos there Richard. I think the photo of the Crystal Sea Slug is superb. (i think thats what it is).
Shôn Roberts Do you mind if I share your album on my facebook page ?
Richard Yorke No Problem at all sharing it. It is not a crystal sea slug, that is Janolus cristatus. If you look at the Eubranchus tricolor you will see that the tips of the cerata have white tips, then an orange band then white again. Compare that with a Janolus eg. http://www.richardy.co.uk/Doune2013/content/130721_103026_E-520_large.html and you will see the difference.
Shôn Roberts Thanks Richard.
Ruth Sharratt Lovely set of pics Richard - well spotted. I've not managed to spot an octopus this year, so I'm really quite jealous.
Ruth Sharratt Plus - A great picture of the eubranchus - you can really see the detail.
David Kipling Curious to see whether you and Liz and Franki thinks the following is a bivalve or an ascidian. It seems a tad bulbous, and has six-fold (hexagonal) symmetry around the siphons - bivalves always seem to be circular siphons.
http://www.richardy.co.uk/LlynSept2013/content/130929_085938_E-520_large.html
Liz Morris I think it looks like a squirt to me. Too shallow. It has frilly siphons, and is 'clean between the siphons'. Is it possible its a Molgula? It is too big for M.oculata that Bernard Picton mentioned the other day?
David Kipling The anatomy of a squirt seems to result in geometric-shaped siphons (square, hexagonal or octagonal). I've never seen bivalves with geometric siphons. The frilly bit (the molgulid 'crown') suggests a Molgula (as does the fact it's buried).
Richard Yorke OK, had discussed this already with Liz and I will now make the change :-)
Liz Morris Please note... I didnt start the online discussion :)
Bernard Picton This looks like Molgula oculata. Well done Liz!
Liz Morris Great. We'll get there eventually with these squirts!
David Kipling So is this the one that Okenia aspersa eats Bernard?
Bernard Picton No I think it eats Molgula occulta. I'm also not sure whether Okenia pulchella is a separate valid species and whether Eugyra arenosa is also on their menu.
Sylvie OmnèsJanolus cristatus - Cap d' Antibes- France - Med sea
size 50 mm - depth 16 m - water temp. 20°C
I was wondering what it is between the rhinophores; could someone answer , please ?
Sylvie Omnès Got the answer (thanks again Vinicius Padula) : it's a caruncle that seems to have sensorial function ...
Sylvie Omnès Hi ! this is my first post on the group ; Janolus cristatus, Med sea, 15M ; could someone tell me what is the part between the rhinophores , please ?
Marlon Delgado Amazing
Vinicius Padula Hi Sylvie Omnès, it is a structure called caruncle which is typical of Janolus species and believed to have a sensorial function.
Sylvie Omnès thanks a lot Vinicius !
Vinicius Padula You are welcome. Amazing species and photos!
Beniamino Usai C'est una joli photo Sylvie, mais ou tu l'a fait exactement?
Sylvie Omnès Bonjour Beniamino Usai; j'ai fait cette photo il y a 2 jours, au Cap d'Antibes, sur la Côte d'Azur , France, à environ 15 m de profondeur ... Hello Beniamino, I took this pic 2 days ago, at the Antibes' Cape, French Riviera, at about 15 meters depth ... ;-)
Gary Gubby ˚͜˚ not seen these before,st abbs,10mtr on rocky bottom covered with brittlestars and plumose anemones
João Pedro Silva I think these are the eggs of an aeolid nudibranch. Determining the species may not be that easy unless you catch them "in the act".
Gary Gubby ˚͜˚ they were found not too far from several aeolidia papillosa nudis
João Pedro Silva And that's a strong suspect. Here it could easily be attributed to Spurilla neapolitana, too, athough this species is more often found spawning intertidally.
Ian Smith I don't think this is A. papillosa spawn which is a tight spiral which is then arranged in a larger spiral. There is a very good image of it on Bernard's online Encyclopedia of Marine life. Yours is a loose single spiral like a spring. It resembles more http://www.conchsoc.org/node/5272 , but I don't think it safe to identify it positively as Janolus. Can you crop in close enough to show the ova? J.hyalinus has few large capsules (many ova hidden within each); only 3 or 4 fit across the width of the string. A. papillosa has many more.
David Kipling Surely the spawn is too big for J hyalinus? Looking at the size of the brittle stars in the background this looks to be a big spawn coil, hence needing something chunky to lay it like A papillosa.
Ian SmithJanolus cristatus grows to a chunky 75mm and has similar form of spawn to J. hyalinus (26mm). I don't think it possible to say exactly what it is, but feel sure it's not A. papillosa.
David Kipling I'm pretty confident Gary's is not J cristatus spawn. His is a long spiral thread, J cristatus is laid out as a zip-zig disc with very visible white balls. I see loads of cristatus spawn in Bugula rich dive sites with loads of adults around (it usually triggers me to look for the adults!). However, I've only ever see hyalinus once and not with spawn, so can't comment on what that looks like. Are you thinking Gary's is cristatus or hyalinus spawn Ian?
David Kipling Here's a link to a classic cristatus spawn spiral for reference:
http://www.seaslug.org.uk/nudibranchs/repro.html
Ian Smith David as I said, I don't think its possible to say exactly what it is, but I don't think it's papillosa.
David Kipling So if it's not cristatus or papillosa I wonder what it is? Perhaps it's not a nudibranch, would that be possible?
Ian Smith Discarded noodles from Chinese takeaway.
Ian Smith Maybe Gary will post a close up so we can discern ova capsules.
Gary Gubby ˚͜˚ tried to blow picture up but only distorts the picture,you cannot make out any more detail :-( but many thanks for all the input,i am still new to this identification thing so all help is greatly appreciated
Gary Gubby ˚͜˚ could these be the eggs from Tritonia hombergi,they look very similar,just looking through great british marine animals by Paul Naylor?
David Kipling Was there any dead man's finger in the area Gary?
Gary Gubby ˚͜˚ yes,plenty of them,st abbs is covered in dead mans fingers
Ian Smith Looks like you've done your own id Gary, congrats! Alder and Hancock in their great monograph, published 1845-1855, wrote: "The spawn is deposited in the form of a gelatinous yellowish-white cord, about the thickness of a small whip-cord of great length and very much convoluted." Form and size both fit your image.
João Pedro Silva Any idea on the culprit? Under 1cm wide. The eggs appear to be quite large. Shot in Berlengas, Portugal, ~8m deep.
Egidio TrainitoJanolus cristatus ...
João Pedro Silva Thanks! There are lots of bryozoans in that area and I've seen J. cristatus once in a while there but never seen the spawn. I guess I always expected it to be in a less conspicuous place.
David Kipling This certainly looks like the familiar J cristatus spawn we see in the UK, and it is usually out in a prominent place (usually on the bryozoan they're feeding on).
Bernard Picton I think the other, well-camouflaged, Janolus's might lay the same type of spawn. Check out those bryozoans very carefully, especially if you have Scrupocellaria there.
Ian SmithJanolus hyalinus has more smaller ova across the spawn string width than the picture above, so I'd go with J. cristatus. See http://www.conchsoc.org/node/5272
David Kipling It must be a interesting experience raiding your fridge for a midnight snack Ian!
Ian Smith No prob; food on top shelf, boxes of marine life on the others. You should have heard the scream when a prying lady visitor opened a box with an 8 inch land slug.
João Pedro Silva There's a large tunnel in Berlengas with lots of bryozoans and J. cristatus is often found there but there were no conditions for that on this day.
Ian Smith Just looked up Antiopa (=Janolus) cristata in Alder & Hancock. Spawn illustration (by PH Gosse) fits Joao’s photo; single series of large capsules. Here are some bits of what A&H reported of Gosse’s description: --- transparent gelatinous thread ---- succession of figures of 8 ----- single series of transparent globules --- at first about two thirds filled with opaque white specks in the form of a crescent --- 5 days after deposition, the white specks in the globules had filled the whole interior --- each globule contained more than 60 active little nautiloids â€" whole spawn mass contained calculated 45,000.
Floor Driessen Janolus? Eubranchus?
Unfortunately, I only saw this nudi for couple of seconds. This is the only photo I have. Is it possible to identify this individual without seeing the rhinophores?
Erling SvensenJanolus cristatus, quite sure about that.
Marco Faasse What about Eubranchus farrani?
Erling Svensen What about the size? More than 2,5 cm - then it shoud be the J. cristatus for sure. The Eubranchus only grow to 2 cm. Still I am quite sure about the identifications. Looks like Janolus.
Marco Faasse I'm not sure about E. farrani, but why is it Janolus?
Erling Svensen After 36 years of diving and study of the marine life you just see that this is Janolus. Not a good answere, but the Eubranchus do not look like this. Sorry that I cant say any more about why.......!
Marco Faasse OK
David Kipling Usually easy to tell apart with the little cocks-comb on Janolus. Which you can't see here, sadly ...
Peter H van Bragt Hi Floor, I like this crispy sharp picture. I am pretty sure that we are looking at a specimen of E. farrani. Looking at what I think are the tips of the rhiniphores I do not see any grooves. I don't see any branched tips of the ceratal core, the hepatopancreatic branches (is this correct in English?). These branches are not smooth (as in Janolus) but more ragged as in Eubranchus. You've caught the animal on a hydroid not a Bryozoan. Also I looks to me that this picture was made at Lake Grevelingen where J. cristatus has never been found except for one possible historic observation. E. farrani has been found here more often recently. Is that correct? Too bad the picture doesn't show more of the head region as that would allow a better ID. Cheers Peter H van Bragt
Christian Skauge I believe this to be an Eubranchs farrani. Here's why: It lacks the blue pigment at the very tip of the cerata which is present in J. cristatus; also the digestive gland displays slighty knotted branching which strongly hints at Eubranchus. The digestive glands in J. cristatus look more like a straight, thin and smooth thread that usually branches out just before the pigmentation at the tip. The cerata also tends to be more club-shaped and have rounded tips - and there should be more of them. These cerata have the typical balloon-shape of the Eubranchus as well as the "frosting" before the tip turns all-white, which is common in the E. farrani.
Jim AndersonEubranchus farrani.
David Kipling What makes you say that Jim? [not that I disagree...]
João Pedro Silva Eubranchus, too. Check the digestive gland inside the cerata: they clearly do not reach the white tip in J. cristatus.
David Kipling Is that another key diagnostic criteria João Pedro, alongside the branching duct that Peter mentions?
João Pedro Silva Yes, David. In Janolus, pigment at the tip of of the cerata is superficial and there are no structures such as cnidosacs. Perhaps the white tips are just mimicking cnidosacs...
O Gajo Dos Olivais I'm with E farrani too as for what I could read about. There is an aquarist site that shows images of these two species and curiously the E farrani one looks a lot like this one :) http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/11/aafeature2
Christian Skauge The E. farrani on that site looks more like an E. pallidus to me ;-)
O Gajo Dos Olivais Christian, why?
João Pedro Silva Actually, it looks more like E. linensis.Apparently that photo shows the characteristic white pigment on the edge of the posterior end of the foot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jpsilva1971/7427811108/
Christian Skauge @ Fernando, because of the red pigment on the back. It could of course be another species like for instance th E. linensis - didn't look at it that closely and that is also a species I am unfamiliar with. But I would say it's not an E. farrani :-)
João Pedro Silva Lucas Cervera and Bernard Picton have some discussion on E. linensis and one of the colour forms of E. farrani (which also shows red/orange blotches on the back):
http://www.seaslugforum.net/find/eubrline
O Gajo Dos Olivais I was just reading about that little paragraph on seaslug forum on the red /orange blotches.
Floor Driessen Why isn't the individual on my photo a E pallidus?
João Pedro Silva It may well be, Floor. That would also justify the large size. I'm not familiar with E. pallidus so my posts were mostly meant to clarify the question Eubranchus vs Janolus.
Jim Anderson From my observations of these species in Scotland this can only be E. farrani - the shape of the cerata, swollen etc., the white tips with the slightly transparent tip in some - these are my reasons for ID'ing this.
Tony Gilbert Agree with Jim, E. farrani, perhaps a Scottish colour variation.
João Pedro Silva It's funny that in spite of being hermafrodites most species have feminine names. Actually, the masculine names are the exception (Janolus, Eubranchus are masculine). I know I've only mentioned the genus but it's easy to see the specific epithet usually agrees on gender (sometimes it's even changed for that reason).
Gary Cobb Hey Joao nice thread and quite true! Do the rules state that when a species is described and named, no one can change it unless they prove it is another species? Genus changes don't change the species name.
Gary Cobb You're referring to genus right? It also seems that most species names are named after men.
João Pedro Silva The species named after men have the possessive form (like Aeolidiella alderi, which translates to "Alder's Aeolidiella") but most have actually attributes in the feminine form (for instance, Jorunna tomentosa, Doriopsilla areolata, Diaphorodoris papillata, etc).
João Pedro SilvaJanolus cristatus has the specific epithet in the masculine form to agree with the genus (otherwise it would be "cristata").