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Micrenophrys lilljeborgii

(Collett, 1875)


Jon Chamberlain If this one Micrenophrys lilljeborgii or Taurulus bubalis? The latter would have barbels which this doesn't have. Sorry, I don't have any better angles (or more in focus shots!). Found at Salthouse, Norfolk, 7m, a couple of weeks ago. Approx 5cm long

Andy Horton Taurulus bubalis

Simon Parker The nose looks a bit pointed for Micrenophrys lilljeborgii and Taurulus bubalis is often marked like this when juvenile.

Rob Spray I don't see how you'd tell from this angle... statistic probability would suggest you put the money on T.bubalis :-)

Message posted on Seasearch Identifications on 19 Oct 2013
Andy Horton I think there has been some confusion and misidentification in the past between Triglops murrayi and Micrenophrys lilljeborgii ??? i. e. in British books or displays ? Not really a British species.

Andy Horton http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/PicturesSummary.php?ID=4146&what=species

Andy Horton http://www.fishbase.org/images/species/Trmur_u3.jpg

Jon Chamberlain If this one Micrenophrys lilljeborgii or Taurulus bubalis? The latter would have barbels which this doesn't have. Sorry, I don't have any better angles (or more in focus shots!). Found at Salthouse, Norfolk, 7m, a couple of weeks ago. Approx 5cm long

Andy Horton Taurulus bubalis

Simon Parker The nose looks a bit pointed for Micrenophrys lilljeborgii and Taurulus bubalis is often marked like this when juvenile.

Rob Spray I don't see how you'd tell from this angle... statistic probability would suggest you put the money on T.bubalis :-)

Message posted on Seasearch Identifications on 19 Oct 2013
Andy Horton MARINE LIFE NEWS BULLETIN TORPEDO (March 2012) MARINE LIFE NEWS BULLETIN TORPEDO (March 2012)Issue 184ISSN 1464-8156 For technical reasons, TORPEDO is no longer being sent out by EMail. It is simply easier to view the bulletins on the web pages. Please find a copy of the bulletin at:http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Torpedo2012March.htm includes Recent Marine Wildlife News Cliff Fall near Dover (with pictures and links)Lesser Octopus on the shore after the big tidesSperm Whale stranding Featured species: A rarely recorded goby discovery off the Scottish coast Coastal feature: Inundated coastline between Bossington and Porlock Wier, Somerset Bristol Channel coastal management MARINE LIFE NEWS BULLETIN TORPEDO INDEXhttp://www.glaucus.org.uk/Torpedo2.htm Please note that the underlined text and photographs will link online to further very interesting pages. This is an important part of the bulletin service and BMLSS web pages. You may have to be alert to spot the links.

David Fenwick Snr Thanks for featuring Lebetus guilleti Andy, well worth keeping an eye out for it on some of the lower tides. I guess it could very easily be mistaken and overlooked for a small Taurulus.

Andy Horton There is a doubt over MY ID of the fish !

Andy Horton Is the front part of the second dorsal fin folded down ?

Andy Horton http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-anderson/5755298157/in/photostream

Andy Horton http://www.fishbase.org/photos/PicturesSummary.php?StartRow=2&ID=459&what=species&TotRec=8

Andy Horton http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=4288792

Andy Horton http://www.welshmarinefish.org/WMF_Lebetus_guilleti.html

Andy Horton I have remained with my original ID but put in the query.

Andy Horton The query has now been adjusted to an alternative of Micrenophrys lilljeborgii. Don't look at Fishbase for comparative pics (misleading).

Andy Horton This small goby query has come up before in 1999. http://www.glaucus.org.uk/gobiu.jpg

Andy Horton http://gobyfrontiers.org/gf/eg-109.htm

Andy Horton More research needed with miniature T. bubalis. I first see them (in the past) at 28 mm long.More likely 35 mm long excluding the tail pin TL.

Andy Horton Picture still looks like a goby to me this morning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-anderson/5755298157/in/photostream

Andy Horton Other experts have agreed it is most likely Lebetus.

Andy Horton I spotted some T, bubalis at 20 mm long and less tonight and they look miniature versions of the adults.

Chris Barrett I agree Andy - I think juvenile's still have the characteristic bulky head that the adults do (of T.bubalis, that is). I really doubt this is a Taurulus.

Chris Barrett I will be able to confirm this within a month, when I analyse my fish morphology data - I'll be able to tell you whether their growth is isometric

Chris Barrett Where was this taken? Richard Shucksmith has found Lebetus in the Shetland islands

Andy Rapson I just added a photo of a small (1" Taurulus bubalis). This fish definitely isn't one of those but I do think it is a sculpin and not a goby.

Chris Barrett I agree Andy (Rapson). Not Taurulus, but at the same time, not a goby. The dorsal fins don't look right for a goby

Andy Horton Sound of Luing, Inner Hebrides, south.

Andy Rapson Having spent many hours searching through various books and sites my best (guess) is female or immature Tripterygion delaisi

Andy Horton I finally decided on Lebetus.

Taxonomy
Animalia (Kingdom)
  Chordata (Phylum)
    Vertebrata (Subphylum)
      Gnathostomata (Superclass)
        Pisces (Superclass)
          Actinopterygii (Class)
            Scorpaeniformes (Order)
              Cottidae (Family)
                Micrenophrys (Genus)
                  Micrenophrys lilljeborgii (Species)
Associated Species