Penn Dls I think that's it, Kathrin Hachenberg. thanks.
Blogie Robillo Yeah, I do believe this one's Chromodoris leopardus. Risbecia tryoni has solid black spots, while C. leopardus has rings. Very cute individual, this one! :)
Gary Cobb Correct Blogie
Blogie Robillo Thanks, Gary. I learn from the best ;)
Giorgetta Massimo Max Nudibranch Chromodoris Leopardus
Ron Silver Appears to be Risbecia tryoni. See attached for C. leopardus: http://www.nudibranch.org/Sulawesi%20Sea%20Slugs/html/nudibranchs/chromodoris-leopardus.html
Giorgetta Massimo Max Ron Silver comunicated recently:This is Hypselodoris tryoni (Garrett, 1873) The genus was changed recently.
Edoardo Spacca SS Liberty, Tulamben, Bali
Sea&Sea DX2G, 2xInon z240, FIT diopter 5x
1/500, F5.2, ISO100
and for the name, i'm very bad and dont have a taxonomy of nudis, so if anyone wants to chip in i'd be delighted... :-)
Massimo Coreachromodoris kuniei
Edoardo Spacca grazie!!!!
Roy Arthur David Lontoh I would say both are Risbecia tryoni ;)
Edoardo Spacca well, funny enough it seems there is little ambiguity as on some pics on the web it is also classified as chromodoris leopard.....
Orietta RivoltaChromodoris leopardus has the black spots are quite large and several of them are hollow. By contrast, Risbecia tryoni would have more numerous smaller black spots with no white centres.
Ken Thongpila I would say Risbecia tryoni as well... I saw them in Tulamben too. Nice shot with 2 together :-)
Ashley Missen They are Risbecia tryoni - Chromodoris leopardus has dark circles not spots - nice double front shot - Cheers Ash
Ashley Missen This is a Risbecia tyroni as Chromodoris leopardus has small rings not dots - Great shot -Cheers Ash
Patrik GoodRisbecia tryoni not tyroni (if it's not C. leopardus which is a hard call in the first place)
Mactan Cebu Scuba Thanks, guys.
Ashley Missen And thank you Patrik for the spell check
Gary Cobb Sorry guys you both are wrong! This is Hypselodoris tryoni (Garrett, 1873) according to the new research done. And to the person who thought this was Chromodoris leopardus Rudman, 1987, the author does not have (brackets)! The genus was never changed!
Gary Cobb C. leopardus has rings and H. Tryoni has solid spots.
Ashley Missen Has that paper been published yet as I didn't think it was a finish document yet - too many inconsistencies
Blogie Robillo I'm confused... Has Risbecia tryoni been renamed to Hypselodoris tryoni, or is H. tryoni an altogether different species?
Ashley Missen Same species, there is a paper out that is talking about resorting and grouping the Chromodoridae family
Blogie Robillo Oh right. I did download that document. However, since you and Gary were saying that it wasn't final yet, I didn't finish reading it...
Gary Cobb Richard Willan has said we have to abide by these latest finding. The technique is new and very conclusive. Bill Rudman said for a long time this would happen and it has. Yes some of it is incomplete but most of it proven by DNA not the traditional "comparing" of morphology and internal parts. I have made 62 changes to the New nudibranch ID Australia/NewZealand App and will upload the update this week. Its a pain in the ass but... (the paper has been accepted by the scientific community including Richard Willan.
Nerida Wilson Hi, just like to add that just because a paper is published does NOT mean that its accepted by the wider scientific community. It has been accepted by one or more reviewers (in PLOS one journal). I think that many of the groups presented by Johnson & Gosliner are correct, and a better reflection of the evolution of the group, but the tree is not particularly well-supported. So there is definitely a need for more data. And more discussion. That's how science should work.... cheers
Blogie Robillo In view of all this, which online resource do you think can be the most trusted in terms of nudibranch nomenclature?
Nerida Wilson To be honest, its a bit of a mess right now. Sites like the World Register of Marine Species have only made part of the changes suggested by this recent paper. Not sure if they don't like some of the results, or they just haven't finished yet.... Everyone needs to be patient, and remember...a rose by any other name!
Mactan Cebu Scuba I just love to take pictures. ;)
Ashley Missen This is a Risbecia tyroni as Chromodoris leopardus has small rings not dots - Great shot -Cheers Ash
Patrik GoodRisbecia tryoni not tyroni (if it's not C. leopardus which is a hard call in the first place)
Mactan Cebu Scuba Thanks, guys.
Ashley Missen And thank you Patrik for the spell check
Gary Cobb Sorry guys you both are wrong! This is Hypselodoris tryoni (Garrett, 1873) according to the new research done. And to the person who thought this was Chromodoris leopardus Rudman, 1987, the author does not have (brackets)! The genus was never changed!
Gary Cobb C. leopardus has rings and H. Tryoni has solid spots.
Ashley Missen Has that paper been published yet as I didn't think it was a finish document yet - too many inconsistencies
Blogie Robillo I'm confused... Has Risbecia tryoni been renamed to Hypselodoris tryoni, or is H. tryoni an altogether different species?
Ashley Missen Same species, there is a paper out that is talking about resorting and grouping the Chromodoridae family
Blogie Robillo Oh right. I did download that document. However, since you and Gary were saying that it wasn't final yet, I didn't finish reading it...
Gary Cobb Richard Willan has said we have to abide by these latest finding. The technique is new and very conclusive. Bill Rudman said for a long time this would happen and it has. Yes some of it is incomplete but most of it proven by DNA not the traditional "comparing" of morphology and internal parts. I have made 62 changes to the New nudibranch ID Australia/NewZealand App and will upload the update this week. Its a pain in the ass but... (the paper has been accepted by the scientific community including Richard Willan.
Nerida Wilson Hi, just like to add that just because a paper is published does NOT mean that its accepted by the wider scientific community. It has been accepted by one or more reviewers (in PLOS one journal). I think that many of the groups presented by Johnson & Gosliner are correct, and a better reflection of the evolution of the group, but the tree is not particularly well-supported. So there is definitely a need for more data. And more discussion. That's how science should work.... cheers
Blogie Robillo In view of all this, which online resource do you think can be the most trusted in terms of nudibranch nomenclature?
Nerida Wilson To be honest, its a bit of a mess right now. Sites like the World Register of Marine Species have only made part of the changes suggested by this recent paper. Not sure if they don't like some of the results, or they just haven't finished yet.... Everyone needs to be patient, and remember...a rose by any other name!
Mactan Cebu Scuba I just love to take pictures. ;)
